Managing Perimenopause: The Working Women’s Guide With Georgie Kovacs

Brave Women at Work | Georgie Kovacs | Perimenopause At Work

Who knew that I would be so excited to talk about perimenopause and menopause today? The truth is, I have been searching for the right expert to chat with about this important topic. And Georgie Kovacs, my guest today, is exactly the right person to lead us through this.

Personal Experiences With Perimenopause

Why? Well, selfishly, I am in perimenopause, and I want to understand how to deal with this. Many of my coaching clients have shared they suffer from brain fog, tiredness, and more, which I learned can be attributed to this stage of life.

As Maya Angelou said, “Once we know better, we can do better.” We can do better by understanding our bodies and how this change impacts all women. We can do better by advocating for ourselves at the doctor’s office. We can do better by spreading the word to other women. So, let’s jump in!

During our conversation, Georgie and I chatted about:

  • What the symptoms of perimenopause are and how long this transitionary period can last for women.
  • Why Georgie thinks talking about perimenopause at work is taboo and what we can do about it.
  • How much perimenopause costs U.S. companies per year.
  • Standing in our values in professional and personal situations.
  • How I may have confused my burnout symptoms as part of early perimenopause. Or maybe it was a mix of both?
  • How we can advocate for ourselves along this journey, including finding practitioners that look at various remedy sources for our symptoms.
  • Georgie’s podcast FemPower Health, her free resources on her site, and where she’s taking FemPower Health next.

Listen to the episode here

Managing Perimenopause: The Working Women’s Guide With Georgie Kovacs

How are you doing out there? Who knew that I would be excited to talk about perimenopause and menopause? Not my 20-year-old self, not my 30-year-old self, but my mid-40s self and edging towards the big 50. I think I need to know all about those things. The truth is, I have been searching for the right expert to chat with on the show. I wanted to talk about this important topic. Georgie Kovacs, my guest, is exactly the right person to lead us through this. Why? Selfishly, I am in perimenopause. I want to understand how to deal with this. Many of you, I’m sure, are with me, and this is a little bit of a gift to some of my coaching clients. 

They have vulnerably shared with me that they’re suffering from brain fog, tiredness, and so much more, which I learned through Georgie, can be attributed to this stage of life. As Maya Angelou once said, “Once we know better, we can do better.” We can have a better understanding of our bodies and how this change impacts all women. We can do better advocating for ourselves at the doctor’s office. You’ll see that Georgie and I have a pretty passionate conversation about how women need to advocate for themselves in front of their doctors. We can do better by spreading the word to other women. 

Let’s jump in. During our conversation, Georgie and I chatted about what the symptoms of perimenopause are and how long this transitionary period can last for women. News flash, it can last up to one decade. Please Lord, no. I don’t want to have that happen to me that long, but it can happen. Why Georgie thinks talking about perimenopause at work is taboo and what we can do about it? How much perimenopause is costing US companies per year? Standing in our values in professional and personal situations, especially related to our health?

This was interesting how I may have confused my burnout symptoms as part of early perimenopause or maybe it was a mix of both, like where my body was kicking off this phase and I was burning out at the same time. That’s why I had many symptoms en masse all in one period. How we can advocate for ourselves along the journey, including finding practitioners that look at various remedy sources for our symptoms, then we touch on Georgie’s podcast, which is so powerful, Fempower Health

She has amazing free resources on her site and where she’s taking her company Fempower Health next. Here’s more about Georgie. Who would’ve imagined that stumbling upon a paper Georgie Kovacs wrote in 1992 about the FDA’s mandate for women’s inclusion in clinical trials would ignite an enduring passion for women’s health? Over the next twenty-plus years, Georgie Kovacs embarked on a relentless pursuit to make a profound impact in the field of women’s health.

Her journey took a personal turn when she faced a heartbreaking battle with infertility. However, once Georgie recovered, she realized that the challenges women face extend far beyond infertility and into women’s wellness as a whole. Issues such as being dismissed by doctors during years of searching only to find no answers, grappling with shame, and navigating confusing online searches were all too prevalent. Yet amidst this, Georgie also unearthed a valuable truth. 

The answers, though not readily apparent, could be found through diligent research and collaboration with voices advocating for women in healthcare. For this reason, Fempower Health was born. Since 2020, by collaborating with top healthcare experts, researchers, and advocates, Fempower Health has become a trusted resource that empowers women with evidence-based information and support. Together, Georgie continues to educate women, redefine the narrative surrounding women’s health, and ensure every woman has the knowledge they need to thrive.

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Georgie, welcome to the show. How are you? 

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I’m good, Jen. Thank you so much for having me. 

We’re going to talk about something important, the whole menopause experience. I’m excited to jump in. Before we do that, why don’t you tell our readers a little bit about you, your background story, and how you’ve gotten to where you are?

I have been in the healthcare industry my entire career. Funny story, in 1993, I wrote a paper about how the FDA had decided to mandate clinical trials in women. Many years later, here I am focusing on women’s health. It’s interesting that at such a young age I had a fascination. I was a science major and then I went into the biopharmaceutical industry. I worked in all sorts of different divisions and have been a consultant as well and enjoyed the business side of healthcare. Then I had my own journey. My journey had to do with fertility. What was interesting was being comfortable with the healthcare system, I was shocked at how hard it is to navigate and I thought, “Let’s use my skills here.” I originally was going to do a startup around helping women navigate their fertility journey. 

As I started digging further into it, what I realized is the journey is almost insert women’s health condition and then insert a number of years and number of doctors to get the answers you need. I started this podcast, Fempower Health. I was like, “Why don’t I?” For me, it was the tenth doctor who helped me figure out what was going on. I thought, “Why not find that tenth doctor for everything, interview them so that women are empowered to go to their clinician and know how to talk to them about what’s going on so they can get the answers they need and not have it be ten doctors, seven years, etc.?” For now, it’s been a podcast, but with my background, I have a lot of insights into the overall challenges in the healthcare system and things that need to be done. That’s what I’m working on now. The podcast does not end. It’s been great to hear people come back to me and say, “I binged on these episodes, now I know what to do when I go see my doctor.” That feels good. 

Congratulations for navigating such a powerful path with Fempower Health. I’m glad that we met because probably almost every woman that you meet, I had my own healthcare struggle. I had secondary infertility and I had an ectopic pregnancy. I’ll never forget it and no offense to that it was a male doctor. He saved my ovaries. I had an ovarian ectopic pregnancy, which is apparently very rare, and saved, I guess, “all my parts.” He didn’t address the emotional issue and it was hard. He said, “You can try again.” It was basically telling me to suck it up and try again. 

I ended up going through IVF and going through that journey because I was afraid. Fast forward many years later, going through burnout and burnout, being not recognized by US medical doctors, AND things like that, it was always like individual symptoms, “You have a digestive issue. You have a skin condition,” and all this stuff. No one ever said, “You need to slow down. You need to power down a little.” I’m glad that you do the work you do. 

Thank you. Even on the business side, as a consultant, I have a fascination with the root cause. I always like to dig into why something is happening. It’s been fun. 

Symptoms Of Perimenopause

In terms of what we’re going to talk about. I’m going to be selfish here because I’m in that perimenopause, but let’s go all the way through to full menopause. Let’s start with perimenopause. When does it start? What are some of the early signs and how long does it last? I know for some of us we suffer.

Shockingly, I’m going to go backward here. Menopause is when you’ve gone twelve months without a menstrual cycle. It is important to track this because there are a lot of things that can happen once you hit menopause. If you don’t know what stage you’re in, it can impact how your doctor is best able to help you. In extreme cases, if you have your period after you’ve hit menopause, you need to get checked out for endometrial cancer. I had that situation happen, I was fine, but you have to know where you’re at. Before you hit menopause, there’s this period of time that can be up to ten years for women.

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It can start in your mid-30s or when you’re 40. The average age in the US of full-on menopause is 51 or 52. I was on the earlier side. I was 48 or 49 when it happened to me. Here are the signs. A lot of my friends where I live are in their early 40s. It’s interesting to hear them talking about some of their symptoms. I’m like, “Okay, here we go.” It’s like a whole change in your body because what’s happening is the hormone levels are changing. Within a given day and throughout the day, the progesterone and estrogen levels are changing significantly. What this means is you’re going to have symptoms like mood changes, headaches, night sweats, and sleep disruption, perhaps your breasts might be tender, and your periods will change. 

They may get heavier. The cycles may be different as far as timing. For me, I remember a big shift when I would have an alternate long cycle or short cycle, and then it started to become longer and more unpredictable. It’s these changes. I’ve done a lot of episodes breaking a lot of these things down. I published one on mental health and perimenopause. A lot of people are conflating, and I’m going to be publishing an episode soon. When this one goes live, it might already be out about differentiating perimenopause and menopause because what’s happening to your hormones and body is different, and it also means the treatment is different. I will also say that a couple of interesting facts about this perimenopause stage are 1) The top Google term is, “How do I deal with my wife in menopause?” 

That’s funny.

Behind teenage pregnancies being the top time for oops babies, it’s perimenopause because your cycles are starting to be irregular so you don’t know when you’re ovulating. I have a few stories of like they’re on their way to divorce, and then the wife gets pregnant, the divorce is on hold. It’s funny, not funny, I want to clarify. In the end, to summarize, all the stuff I shared is there are these changes. They’re slight. It’s like, “Why am I having brain fog all of a sudden? Why am I suddenly always anxious? I never used to be this way.” If you have mental health conditions, it may be getting worse. It’s more these shifts where they come out of nowhere, like, “My hips are wider.” It’s all these changes that happen, and it’s because of the hormones. 

One other question because I purposely wasn’t an oops, but you know I went through IVF. I had a pregnancy at 40 or 41, my daughter was born, my second one. Does that also kick-off or delay menopause, perimenopause or not really? I was curious about that. If you have a later-in-life geriatric pregnancy, does that push menopause out?

1) I am not a doctor. I can’t verify that there’s a clinical trial or data analysis on that. I will tell you in my situation I also had my son, my one and only child, at 41 and hit menopause at 48. I don’t remember all the fertility terms now, but it was I was premature ovarian aging or whatever the term is. Mine didn’t get delayed. It’s purely the hormone changes, but I’m not a doctor. My input on it is with a grain of salt. 

Why Perimenopause Is Taboo At Work

Why do you think in the US? I think it’s predominantly in the US, and we have people around the world that read this show like Fempower Health, but there seems to be, and this is my opinion, a stigma for women in the US being perimenopausal or menopausal at work. I wanted to ask you why you think it’s a taboo topic to talk about. 

I can’t again verify that it’s just the US. I know that there are experts that I interview and other people that I collaborate with where the US culture is certainly different. Right now the hot topic is birth control and some of the experts I’ve spoken to are like, “It’s only in the US,” whereas this hole is like, “Birth control is terrible. Everyone wants to go natural and try to avoid pregnancy that way.” I can’t speak for the ex-US versus US. I know that I did do an interview with an anthropologist and she went around the world talking to people about hot flashes. I can speak from that cultural perspective where some didn’t perceive they had it even though they did in part because they either didn’t talk about it or didn’t realize that’s what it was because a lot of it is like perceived symptoms.

That was an interesting dynamic. She obviously verified that around the world everyone does have it. We can make a lot of guesses on why it happens in the US. Looking back on my own evolution in women’s health. 2010 is when my fertility journey started. This was before social media before people were sharing their stories publicly. I was in the biopharmaceutical industry and consulting for these companies, I had to be careful to what I did with Fempower Health publicly, but I will say when I would meet one-on-one with people, there was almost this signal where we would look at each other and without even talking about pregnancy, we somehow knew that either we were both undergoing fertility treatments or knew of someone who was.

There was this like undercurrent is current. Now we’re in this phase where that is now happening with menopause and because I’m in it with all these experts, I know what’s happening but I’m still learning how people still are like, “What’s menopause? What’s perimenopause?” Even friends I talk to when I share with them what I think is going on based on their symptoms, they don’t even want to face it. I think it’s a lack of understanding of what is happening and what it is.

Women are held to the standard that once you get old you’re no longer beautiful or you’re no longer good enough. In other cultures, older women are respected. I think it’s more that we’re starting to become aware of it and there are a lot of people talking about it. I think we’re still catching up to it being normalized and hopefully, it will get that way like it was with fertility where now all these companies are covering it. The other thing though is we have to face that the symptoms are real and it’s harder. 

I know I went through a phase where the way I would explain it to people is it was almost like I had my entire life’s to-do list in my head going through my head all day long, every day. It didn’t matter how many things I checked off, it was constantly spinning. I couldn’t focus. I would get overwhelmed trying to do simple things. You can imagine what that did for work. I’m like the superstar person that can handle anything. I’m like, “What is happening? This was not me. I was the do-it-all Georgie and now I can barely function as a human.”

How do you deal with that change? How do you talk about it? Men aren’t going through it. Men are the leaders. We need more women leaders, but, “I’m a leader and now I can’t function.” You can see it’s complicated for women. The other thing, that it’s hard to keep going, but the last factor is many years ago the women’s health initiative study was published. The way they analyzed that data, it essentially put the fear of hormone therapy into all the clinicians.

A friend of mine had graduated as a nurse practitioner in women’s health at that time. She said it was crazy. She graduated and practically the next day it was everything you learned unlearn it, no hormone therapy. She said it was the wildest time because she’s like, “Wait, what?” It’s interesting because like the older doctors and people who are in their 80s plus, a lot of them are on hormone therapy. Once you hit anyone who was in this phase many years ago, up until basically a few years ago, they weren’t on hormone therapy. 

It was, “Good luck. Sorry, you’re suffering,” and if someone happened to find a doctor who knew hormone therapy would help, then they got to be on it. You can see, we’re catching up. We’re like learning. Now we have to figure out how to get to all the women, and retrain the doctors. This is the chaos that’s happening. It’s complicated. Many of us are working to solve for it. As we all know, the healthcare system is complicated. Those are all the layers, which is why I focus on empowering women. I think if we can get our voices heard and have those tough conversations with our doctors. I remember now what I wanted to tell you. 

Tell me.

Talk about advocacy. I went to a doctor for my foot because I’m training for the New York City marathon.

Good for you.

I was going proactively because many years ago I had foot surgery and I could tell everything on my left side was off. I’m constantly tight. I have IT band syndrome. It’s going on and on. I was like, “Let me go to a doctor and have him look at my foot to see if there’s anything I need to monitor.” I show up, and he is asking me a million questions about where I feel pain and what it feels like, and I have no pain. The way he was asking me, I’m like, “Do I need to make up that it hurts so he won’t leave because I need to make sure that I’m okay?” I finally stopped and I said, “Can we pause for a second because I feel like you think I’m here for no reason and I’m an idiot.”

You said that in the appointment. Good for you.

I said, “I don’t have pain, and I am trying to be proactive, and I feel like I looked at like I’m a moron. I truly want to make sure that I’m able to run this race and that I do not get hurt because I am 50. I’m not 30, and my body’s different.” He goes, “No, I am trying to understand,” and then he explains everything. It was fine that I didn’t have pain, and we were able to solve things. Then he explained, “If you have pain, do this, but because you don’t have pain, you need to do this to make sure you don’t get injured.” It worked out, but I had to stand up for myself because I felt like that person that had to make up my symptoms so he didn’t kick me out of the office. It’s scary and hard. Imagine in the workplace having to advocate with doctors who are not trained on the new menopause data or the reassessment of the old data. It’s scary.

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It sounds like we’re navigating the Wild West. Is that about right?

I know. Did I completely make it seem scarier than it is?

Yeah, it’s a little scary.

I want to have a reality check.

We’re going to help everyone, including me. We’re going to feel less scared. Can we go back to the Georgie that you were saying you had these symptoms like where you were a top performer and you felt like you were constantly in overdrive? What did you end up doing during that period? You talk about being proactive. How did you take your health into your own hands at that time while you were going through it? 

I didn’t realize that it was perimenopause because I didn’t have a lot of hot flashes. I mean I did, but none of the symptoms were bothersome to me. Many people talk about specific symptoms. I knew the math of periods and hormones is changing, but I never put together that this is what was happening until I interviewed the doctor on mental health and perimenopause. As she was talking, I’m like, “Hold on a second,” because I have a mental health condition.

Apparently, when you hit perimenopause, either those symptoms worsen or symptoms you’ve never had. If you don’t have a mental health condition, it’s like these random things that pop up, and you’re like, “I never used to be an anxious person,” and suddenly you are. It’s one of those scenarios, and in some cases, it doesn’t shift for someone.

In my case, it exacerbated because I had a lot of life things happening plus these hormone changes. I finally decided to go on hormone therapy, and it’s helped. It’s not perfect, but for me, I have to do things like make sure I get my sleep. I have to be careful with what I’m eating and get outside first thing in the morning and start moving my body. Those things help. Some people may say, “That’s too much work.” I will say, “Once you figure out in life what works for you, you feel good that it’s not work. It’s exciting to go do these things that are a treat for yourself because you know it’s going to make you feel good.” The short answer is it was a journey because I thought it was just my mental health condition and the stress of life. 

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It took me a while to figure out that it was specifically perimenopause-related. I think that’s why people may struggle because they may not realize that it’s the hormones. It’s like chicken and egg. Is it a stressful work situation, or you’re upset that you’re older? Is it you’re going through a divorce? Is it your kids are in college, and they’ve left the home, and now you’re upset they left? Is it perimenopause? There are many things it can be, you have to dig into it, and it took me a long time, and that was my solution. 

This is where we’re going to change it. We’re going to change the tide to positive for our people and not make them scared. You keep saying this undercurrent of being curious and being proactive. Let’s say, you’re feeling tired, have brain fog, or you’re feeling this or that. Getting curious to say, “Is this a pattern? Is this new? What’s happening?” You feel like you need to go to the doctor. Here’s the question. If you’re feeling these symptoms, what is the next step, or if you’re curious and you’re like, “Maybe I have perimenopause?” This is an ignorant question, but is there a test? Do you get hormonal testing done? How do you know you’re in it?

I recently spoke with someone, and I feel like this is the best description that I think all women can relate to. By the way, if I sound doom and gloom, “I need to know this,” because then I have to shift how I talk about this.

You scare me a little in the front, but now we’re turning the corner. We’re all good.

I put it out there. It’s like, “This is how it is. Let’s do the reality check. We’re all okay.” It’s more my way of saying, you are not crazy. All this stuff is happening, and it’s okay because it’s normal. There are solutions. That’s my intent, but it’s helpful to know how it comes across. Thank you for that. This is why it’s funny because when I do a podcast, I’m talking to the doctors, and it’s helpful to talk to the women too so that I can understand how everyone needs to hear it. The short of it is when we have a baby, we’re preparing. We may be preparing to get pregnant. We may be preparing for the baby to come. 

Why can’t we prepare for this transition in life? Perimenopause, in my view, is preparation for menopause. I mean, it’s a s*** show. I think pre-perimenopause, we need to prepare. I think things like having a conversation with our loved ones to say, “I need you to understand that this is going to be a phase of life. I’m not sure when it happens, but if you see these things, can you support me?”

As women, we start to feel off, we should get curious, notate it, observe, and then see if we need support. I almost would think of it as with postpartum depression. I know that when I was at high risk and the doctors had spoken to my now ex-husband and me, and they told us all the things to look for, and there was this whole checklist we came home with, and it gave me the space to be able to be open when I was struggling. 

My son’s father knew how to handle it. It was like a partnership. That’s how you go through this because we don’t want to have shame around it, and we do need the support. When the changes happen, don’t dismiss them. There are solutions. In perimenopause, the way you would handle hormone therapy is different than once you’ve hit menopause. There are lots of solutions out there, and it is important to tell the doctor things like, “Here are the symptoms. Here’s when they happen. When I do this, it gets better. The emotional stuff is new. I’ve never reacted this way to a situation because those things matter and it impacts the treatment.”

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How To Advocate For Yourself

When we go to the doctor for this, like when we start getting curious and noticing symptoms or patterns of symptoms, do we go to the gynecologist? Do we find an endocrinologist? Do we have to go to both? I was curious about that. 

This is an interesting question. I’ll give you the lay of the land. I hope I paint it right because I don’t want to scare people. This is how it is. Now you know, and now you’re empowered to make it happen for yourself. I don’t want people to feel like, “Why is no one listening to me?” The answer is it’s not perfect. What I would say is because of what happened with the WHIS study, now only 30% of medical schools train on menopause.

In going to an OB-GYN, you have to make sure that they’re up to date on the latest information on menopause. There are websites like, for example, the North American Menopause Society has a website that lists menopause-trained doctors. I will say I wish they could improve the search because I have friends in New York who did the search, and every single doctor was cash pay. They couldn’t find one that took insurance. However, then there are these startups. There’s like Midi Health, Evernow, Electra Health, there’s like a bunch of them that are doing telehealth for menopause, and a lot of them are working on insurance coverage. Evernow announced that there’s free vaginal estrogen as the prescription.

There must be something you have to do with it. They’re not going to just give it away. People are trying to tackle this in different ways because of these challenges. The bottom line is if you’re 35 plus start thinking about a clinician who understands this phase of life because you don’t want to be given the wrong medication. A concrete example is a lot of women are told, “Let’s give you some anxiety medication, you’ll be fine. They get moved out.” I’m not saying they shouldn’t be on it, but hormone therapy does relieve a lot of the symptoms. You want to make sure that the reason for whatever is happening, you get the right treatment for it. 

That is fascinating. I’m pretty much an open book because I feel if I share some of my symptoms, it’ll help another woman. When I went through burnout, I was diagnosed with anxiety, and now as you’re saying some of this stuff, I’m like, “Huh,” because I was in my early 40s. I’m not in menopause at this time, but in some of the symptoms you’ve shared, I’m like, “I got to think about this even myself.” I’m not obviously going to name names, but it was so sad.

I’m not anti-medication for mental health conditions. I say you do what’s right for you after consulting with a physician or your medical professional. There’s no shame here. Get the tools that you need. I made the decision to be on medication. The woman that may be a physician’s assistant or doctor, she basically said, “Do you know how many working mothers that I see that I’m giving anti-anxiety medication to? It was almost like, “Get in line. You aren’t the first or the last.” There was no curiosity, no care or compassion. That’s a whole other podcast on our system, but I had to share that. 

I will say people understand how real, and I hope when I say these facts, my intent is to say you’re not alone. We’re losing $1.8 billion in the job market because women are leaving. I cannot say it enough, you’re not alone. It’s a normal thing to go through this as someone who now has hit menopause and has turned 50. It’s a fabulous time. It is something to be celebrated. People say in your 40s you start to not care and then in your 50s, you really don’t care. It is true. It’s this symbolic now you’re the wise person who’s able to fully be empowered and make an impact because you’ve gone through all these life transitions.

It is something to be celebrated. It is a shame that there are these dynamics, but I truly believe that if we, women understand what’s happening, we prepare our loved ones and when our loved ones point out we’re a little anxious, we don’t snap at them, but we start to figure out, “Maybe I need support.” Be proactive and plan like we would plan for a cute little baby and have the cute nursery decorated. Plan for this.

I think that is so smart. I’ve never heard it before. It’s like we’re all about taking Lamaze classes and all these prep classes for the new baby coming through, but we’re not preparing for, let’s call it, the wise woman stage.

For the person who gave me that, I can’t remember who it was. I talk to many people, please feel free to email Jen and get credit for it. I can’t remember who gave me the example, but I loved it. 

Likewise. People will be like, “Do you remember?” As a podcaster, I talk to so many people. I’m like, “Who is that person? I know you do a lot of research and you’re knee-deep into this. I appreciate you. When you were talking about loss, you know, women in the workforce, you can fact-check me, but I did a Google search on what it costs us for working people, not people that are out of the workforce in the US per year regarding symptoms with menopause and perimenopause? Quoting a article from 2023 from April, they quoted over 26 billion a year. 

That’s a different stat. This one was the cost associated with missed work and lower productivity. 

It depends. It might be more of a micro that might be more because they blew it up and said productivity and health expenses. It’s probably a much bigger number. Think about that. We’re talking like billions of dollars. To shine a light on this like you’re doing with your great work. With your podcast, I am going to tell everyone, and I don’t do this often, but Georgie’s podcast, Fempower Health, is a must. It’s got so much good information. I know you’re going to be switching focus, but can you give everyone an overview of the premise of the podcast, some of the major topic areas where it may be going because there’s much empowerment just by listening? If you are a podcast listener, please go and listen to Georgie’s podcast. Give us a little overview of it.

Thank you so much for that. Up until now, because I’m a very curious person and I’m fascinated by science, human dynamics, and healthcare, I went all in and covered every topic in women’s health. Honestly, how do you market when you do everything? I have assessed what people like and it makes sense. It’s chronic pelvic pain and menopause. It makes sense because my whole premise was empowering women on the things that are incredibly complicated to deal with. Those are the two most complex areas. I’m excited about the topic we’re discussing being one of my focus areas. My mission is to cover all the nuances of the topics but be science-based. At the end of the day, there’s no one solution for everyone. Anyone who tries to say that, I think we need to be wary of.

I know there’s a lot of money to be made on menopausal women. To help you guys understand the business world, what I hear is because we are wealthier, we have money to spend. Every single cis-woman and cis-female goes through menopause, imagine the dollars. There are a lot of people capitalizing on this population. My mission is to work with people who are research-based and evidence-based, who help educate you on what the options are so that you know what you should be monitoring and what the options are that you can decide for yourself because for everyone it’s different. Hormone therapy may or may not work. It may or may not be something you want and it’s not for every symptom and may not cure yours. There are a lot of factors there and topics. For example, I published the episode with Lara Briden’s book Metabolism Repair For Women.

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Perimenopause At Work: Empowering women with evidence-based information and support is vital. Everyone’s journey is different, and understanding your options is key.

That’s all about insulin resistance, which is a huge factor with these hormone changes. Mental health is a big one. Perimenopause versus menopause. Understanding the different hormones. Another huge one is the importance of vaginal estrogen in this stage of life because it’s very preventative. This is a time when think about this is a journey of learning how to take care of yourself and saying, “Enough is enough. I’ve done all these things to help the world and now it’s my turn to take care of me. I’m going to figure out what that formula is, and I deserve it.” That’s what I want to empower women to do. 

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I love that so much. Speaking of some other free resources, you got a beautiful website. I looked up, and I’ve never seen this before. I don’t know if you’re going to reorganize this, but you have a bookshop on women’s health issues that you’ve created and I’ve never seen it. Maybe you’ll take some of the topics down. I want to encourage people to get your recommendations in a hurry. Tell us more about your bookshop on your website.

There’s a lot of resources that I have. It’s not just the bookshop. What I did is, as I interview authors, as people share books because I can’t interview every single author, I created a little bookshop because it’s a lot easier to organize. What’s nice is you also help local bookstores by purchasing these books. I organize it by category. If you go on the menopause page for Fempower Health, you’ll see the link to noms where you can find a menopause-trained doctor. You’ll see the books that are helpful for you for this stage of life. You’ll see the podcast episodes. I ask everyone to bear with me because this has been something I’ve done on the side on top of a full-time job and being a single mom. 

Now that I know the areas I’m focusing on, and it’s also been my own money and time, I’m working on how can I make this sustainable. I know there are resources that I can add and want to add. I have a biweekly newsletter and I’m going to shift it where each newsletter will focus on a specific topic. I’ll have a menopause-only newsletter. I do not spam people. I’m very respectful of our crazy inboxes. If people want to stay in the loop, they can follow me on social media. They can sign up for this newsletter. I’ll let people know when I make the menopause-specific one. There are ways to stay in touch and I’ll always be respectful in what I’m sharing. At the end of the day, it’s to empower women. 

I love it. For everybody, I’m stealing this idea from you shamelessly, I’m going to put up my own bookshop on Brave Women At Work because we share so many books and people will be like, “What was that book?” I’m like, “I don’t remember.” It’s like, along with that, “Who is that person?” Everybody be on the lookout. At some point this year, there’s going to be a bookshop where I start giving you by topic things that we cover, whether it’s burnout, women’s health, or negotiation. We talk about all the things here. There will be a bookshop on the website. Georgie, thank you for that idea.

No problem. 

What do you believe are 1 to 2 ways that women can be braver at work today? 

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Being Brave And Proactive

If there is something you need to speak up about, don’t be afraid to do so. If you’re struggling to figure out how to find trusted resources to do so, like with anything, if it doesn’t go well, you’re not getting the support, then it’s a big question of what do you do next? Do you move on? Be brave because at this stage of life, I have my own struggles and it’s not perfect. I’ve been reaching out to folks and I will tell all of you this, I speak one-on-one to many people. I am blown away, by men and women of all ages on how much people are struggling right now.

I want to say you’re not alone. Whether it’s something cool you want to do or if it’s a struggle you have, bravery can come from a positive place or a negative place, but we’re all wanting the same thing. Let’s get back to basics that we’re all human and we’re here to support each other. Being brave is finding that network and being vulnerable and being true to who you are because I think the minute we turn ourselves into a pretzel to try to make someone happy, that’s when the breakdowns in our self-worth start to happen. It’s be brave, be true to who you are, and know that you’re not alone.

I completely agree with that and like what you have said at the top, ask for what you want. The beautiful thing about everything we’re talking about in this phase of your life, you said, I don’t know what it is about like that wise woman stage that you stop caring, that people-pleasing starts to diminish because you’ve been through some things. You’ve been around, and you know better. I think Maya Angelou says, “Once we know better, we do better.” I think we can do better for ourselves by being brave. Thank you for that wisdom and those suggestions. How can women find you and your work online? 

Thank you for allowing me to share that and for what you said about being braver. You can go to the website,, and I’ll be making changes. I would say one of the best things to do is sign up for the newsletter, which is anywhere you go, like the website, if you go there, you’ll be able to get a popup or whatnot and sign up there. It is probably the easiest way. You can follow me on social media. I’m going to be making changes where everything is separate.

There will be a social media account for menopause and chronic pelvic pain, but for now, the newsletter is the best way so you don’t miss anything and you’re not fed an algorithm by Instagram and may miss a post. Do the newsletter and then follow on social and you listen to the podcast wherever you listen to podcasts. Look up Fempower Health on Apple, Spotify, Google, Amazon, you name it. 

Thank you so much for the work you do. It is very powerful work and it’s necessary work for women nowadays and for our girls in the future. We all go through this. It’s a natural phase of life. thank you for everything you’re doing to support this. 

Thank you. I will invite folks, if you have questions, message me or send me an email because I want to know what’s happening to women and that’s how best I can help you. If it’s just me and the experts talking, we’re not serving you guys. Feel free to keep in touch as well.

One last question, what is your email so we have it here? 

It’s You can also send me a DM on Instagram

Georgie, thanks and we’ll be in touch. 

Thank you so much for all the work that you are doing. I appreciate it. 

That’s a wrap on my discussion with Georgie. I hope you found our conversation both valuable and inspiring. As a reminder, please rate, review, and subscribe to the podcast in Apple Podcasts and Spotify. The show is available on any other podcast platform you enjoy. Until next time, show up, get educated, advocate for yourself, and be brave. 

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About Georgie Kovacs:

Brave Women at Work | Georgie Kovacs | Perimenopause At WorkWho would have imagined that stumbling upon a paper Georgie wrote in 1992 about the FDA’s mandate for women’s inclusion in clinical trials would ignite an enduring passion for women’s health?
Over the next 20+ years, Georgie Kovacs embarked on a relentless pursuit to make a profound impact in the field of women’s health. Her journey took a personal turn when she faced a heartbreaking battle with infertility.
However, once Georgie recovered, she realized that the challenges women face extend far beyond infertility and into women’s wellness as a whole. Issues such as being dismissed by doctors, enduring years of searching only to find no answers, grappling with shame, and navigating confusing online searches were all too prevalent. Yet, amidst this chaos, Georgie also unearthed a valuable truth: the answers — though not readily apparent — could be found through diligent research and collaboration with voices advocating for women in healthcare.
For this reason, Fempower Health was born. Since 2020, by collaborating with top healthcare experts, researchers, and advocates, Fempower Health has become a trusted resource that empowers women with evidence-based information and support. Together, Georgie continues to educate women, redefine the narrative surrounding women’s health, and ensure every woman has the knowledge they need to thrive.

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