EP: 137 All The Wiser: Shattering Mental Health Stigma One Story At A Time With Kimi Culp

I’m going to start being personal and vulnerable today. When I went through burnout in 2019, I went through the dark muck of depression and anxiety. I had no idea how to leave that place, so I am thankful for medication and therapy. While I went through this experience, I also felt a little weird and secretive about it at the time because I didn’t want my team to think that I was less than them. I didn’t want them to wonder if I could still do the job or lead the team. I didn’t come forward with my story until this podcast and my first book, Brave Women at Work: Stories of Resilience. I realized that sharing the story was a braver thing to do than keeping it hidden.

My guest today, Kimi Culp, also brings a similar, yet different, story to the show.

During my chat with Kimi, we discussed:

• More about her backstory and her career in film and television production.
• Her experience working with Oprah and the OWN Network in its heyday.
• What led Kimi to keep her bipolar disorder hidden throughout her career and to begin talking about it publicly.
• The reaction of the public and her friends, family, and colleagues after she shared her personal story.
• How we can be compassionate with others that may be silently struggling with mental illness or other challenges.
• And what led Kimi to start her podcast, All the Wiser.

I’m doing this show today because it’s real, it’s honest, and so many of us are facing mental health challenges. I’m confident that if we bring this out in the open, it will be less and less stigmatized. It will be an act of bravery to say that you have a mental illness. It will be an act of love towards others who may be suffering silently. And it will make our workplaces more inclusive and drive a sense of psychological safety that many of us yearn for at work.

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All The Wiser: Shattering Mental Health Stigma One Story At A Time With Kimi Culp

I’m going to start a little personal in this episode. I’m going to start a little heavy and vulnerable. I went through burnout in 2019. If you’ve read this show at all or you’ve just started, yes, I did go through burnout or you’ve heard this story before. I have to say that I went through the dark muck that is depression and anxiety. I had no idea how to get myself out of this place. I’m thankful for medication and therapy. If you’re in that place, I hope you find the support that you need.

When I went through this experience, I also felt a little weird and secretive about it at the same time because I didn’t want my team and my boss to think I was less than. I didn’t want them to wonder if I could still do the job or lead the team. I didn’t come forward with this story until this show. It’s included in the chapter in my first book, Brave Women at Work: Stories of Resilience. I realized at that time, every moment and every show since then, that sharing my story has been the braver thing to do than keeping it hidden and under the rug.

My guest, Kimi Culp, also brings a similar yet different story to the show. During my chat with Kimi, we discussed her backstory and her career in film and television production, her experience working with Oprah and the OWN Network in its heyday. I’ve asked her several times about what it was like working with Oprah. What led Kimi to keep her bipolar disorder hidden throughout her career and what led her to begin talking about it publicly? Also, the reaction of the public and her friends, family and colleagues after she shared her personal and vulnerable story. How we can be compassionate with others that may be silently struggling with mental illness or other challenges? What led Kimi to start her very amazing podcast, All the Wiser?

I’m doing this episode because it’s real and honest. Many of us are facing very real mental health challenges. While COVID was so difficult, it at least shined a light on the fact that this is not to be secretive. This is a real struggle for many people. I’m confident that if we bring this out in the open, it’s going to be less stigmatized. It’s going to be an act of bravery to say that you have a mental illness. It’s going to be an act of love toward others who may be suffering silently. It will potentially make our workplaces more inclusive and drive a sense of psychological safety that so many of us yearn for at work.

Here’s more about Kimi. Kimi Culp is the host of All the Wiser, a podcast about finding hope and possibility on the other side of pain. She’s also a multimedia producer devoted to bringing original ideas and concepts to life online and onscreen. Kimi’s unique specialty is identifying and developing stories with soul. Her experience includes work as a producer for NBC, ABC and the Oprah Winfrey Show. She has covered dramatic stories of survival, the realities of life when facing death and the lessons on loss and love from people who have firsthand experience.

Before we get started, if you’re enjoying the show, please make sure to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. If you already left a rating and review, you know I’m giving you a virtual hug and high five over there. Thank you so much. Your support of the show means so much. It means the world to me. Thank you. I also wanted to highlight a new freebie on my site, Get Paid: 10 Negotiation Tips. If you’re negotiating a raise or you’re going through the negotiation process in a new job, this freebie is for you. Go and grab it at BraveWomenAtWork.com. Let’s welcome Kimi to the show.

Kimi, welcome to the show. How are you?

I’m doing well, Jen. Thank you for having me on the show.

I’m so glad we got connected. I love to start. Why don’t you tell all of our audience about you, your backstory and how you’ve gotten to where you are in this moment?

My background has always been in storytelling so finding and sharing stories about real people. I did that very early on, starting in high school. I may be the only person on the planet who’s had the same job since I was twelve. I always knew I wanted to do that. I found myself in college at Boulder. Columbine was one of where the first mass high school shootings happened. It was within an hour’s drive of our school. I was a journalism student. They asked three of us to get in the car and go. One of our professors had been a producer for CNN. From that day on, I started working professionally in television and then eventually in documentary film, covering new stories and then ultimately getting focused on choosing the types of stories that I shared.

How was that though? You were in a classroom and all of a sudden you hear about Columbine. Your professor went, “Go and be a journalist live.” Is that how it went down?

Yes and no. It’s so bizarre thinking back. Her name was Vicky Sama. She was very early on at CNN when they were headquartered in Atlanta. They called her and said, “This massive crisis is unfolding. We’re getting on planes to go. Can you bring some journalism students?” It was very bizarre to get there and be on the front lines as it was unfolding.

We were talking with families and trying to get information. Quickly, the world’s media descended and we became people who were getting people coffee and nourishment and doing the roles that you would presume a college intern does. From that moment on, I stayed in that world of covering news stories and then eventually getting more intentional about the types of stories I was working on.

In terms of how the career took you, you were at the OWN Network but were you at CNN as well? Where were all of the places? If you want to give a high-level snippet of some of the places that you’ve worked throughout your career.

I started at NBC for Nightly News and the Today Show. I then went to Good Morning America, which I loved. Eventually, I was with Oprah for about a decade working for her show and then on the creative development team that launched the network. I decided I was done with big networks and media companies. Everything I’ve done since has been independent.

I asked you before on our prep call and I’m going to ask you again because everyone’s probably like, “Oprah.” What was it like working for Oprah and the OWN Network? You can be as honest as you’d like to be.

As I’ve shared, it’s incredible, especially at that time. She doesn’t have as big of a presence in the media landscape as she did certainly decades ago but it was incredible, the opportunities we had. Not only the opportunities but the access and resources. What we were able to execute creatively felt like we could create anything. That was cool to be a part of and be exposed to all these visionaries, storytelling, media and content.

I know we’ll talk about my mental health but I have a tendency to be 0 or 90 miles an hour. Like many entertainment companies, there was a lot of workaholism, long hours, hopping on planes and an exhaustive pace. A lot of people were like me. It has to be perfect at any cost. That’s only sustainable for so long. It was intense. For me, there was a mental health toll for sure, 100%. I was not that emotionally or mentally well, although I was performing well in that environment because to some extent, if you don’t sleep and everything has to be perfect, people say, “Jump.” You say, “How high?” You’re a great performer.

I wasn’t working at OWN, although that would be a cool experience. In my way in the banking space, we all can get trapped in that jump and how high and running on octane that is not in our tank.

Looking back, I’m grateful for everything I learned. I met so many gifted people for everything I was able to be a part of and how I grew creatively as a person. I’m even grateful for the parts that were stressful and hard in taxing because I learned a lot about myself, what works and what doesn’t.

Was there a pivotal moment? What led to the decision? One of the things that I’ve shared on the show and that we’ve talked about in the through line of the shows is the idea of golden handcuffs and being successful. You get to a point of success where you’re like, “I can’t possibly leave.” What was the key moment or decision that you’re like, “There’s no doubt I have to leave this?”

It was a trifecta of a couple of things. We talk about burnout but burnout is freaking real. I don’t know that it was humanly possible for me to continue to move and function in the way that I was. I had two young kids. I hovered above and looked at my life. I am racing out the door in the morning. I get home and they’re asleep. I was pacing in the backyard, depending on the night, talking to some lawyer producer.

One time, we were supposed to go on a trip with friends and it was going to be fun. I don’t even remember but we were going to go to a wine country, drink wine and relax. It got canceled and I’m like, “I need something.” I booked a spa weekend and went by myself. Once I stepped away and slowed down, I was hiking by myself. I was doing yoga and all these things that you would do. It’s a wellness spa. I broke down on a hike and it became clear looking down on my life that I can’t do this anymore. It was on a mountaintop. I was like, “I’m going to go down.” I called my boss and said that I’m leaving.

It’s an interesting metaphor. You’re at the top of a mountain in your life. You’re like, “I’m going to dismantle it, go down and change it.”

I’ve thought about looking down on my life but I’ve never thought about that metaphor so that’s funny. Thank you.

No problem. You’re a storyteller so there’s some more fuel for you on your life. One thing that you talked about and is a big part of the work you do is mental health. You shared with me and I’d love it if you’re willing to share with the audience the idea of keeping your mental health maybe a secret, your diagnosis, because it fueled your success.

You may have stats or thoughts about all the work that you are doing. There are probably tons of people out there that keep mental health a secret because they’re ashamed or they feel that people are going to look at them differently. Why did you decide to keep your mental health in the closet while you were deep into work before you said, “Forget this noise,” and came down from the mountain?

It would be a while from coming down from the mountain before I shared. As most people can relate to, I was deeply ashamed. I was afraid of what people would think of me. I didn’t feel that I had any control over how they would experience me or the label of bipolar. “Is she unhinged and unreliable,” and all of these narratives I came. It felt a lot safer to keep it in.

The irony with an illness like bipolar is that some of the surges in mania are increased productivity, like risk-taking ideas. In a weird way, those bursts would be beneficial to me and whomever I was working for. They’re like, “She’s not afraid to do this and that.” There’s the flip side of that that I would go into a depression where I’m not having those “symptoms” or outward ways of being. It was tricky but it felt safer to hide than to not have control of what other people thought of me.

That’s so honest and vulnerable. I appreciate that. Think about how many people’s lives you’re changing with the work you do and the stigma around being ashamed of your mental health and whatever it is. I’ll never forget and I don’t know if you had a moment like this. I have been diagnosed with depression and anxiety. It’s way more on the anxiety scale but I don’t know if there are scales. I look back and I probably had anxiety even as a child and didn’t know it. It was so sad.

They were talking about medication in the room. I did end up deciding that was right for me as well as therapy but I will say that the girl that was doling out the medication, she’s like, “There are so many women like you.” It made me think as I was introduced to you like how many of us are out there. It doesn’t have to be just women but those silently suffering, trying to be perfection on the outside but struggling on the inside.

Suffering is not fun. We can all agree but it’s what it means to be human. It’s a shared experience that we all have. Suffering alone is not fun. Someone can sit beside you and can share their story or even if you are somebody who’s by yourself, if you’re listening to a podcast or a film and you don’t feel alone in your suffering. That is not possible if we’re all hiding those pieces of ourselves. I believe that we’re getting better at openly talking about mental health but there’s a long way to go. There’s a lot to understand because mental health is complex and varied. There’s an incredible gift in sharing both for yourself and others.

I don’t know much about bipolar because I don’t have that diagnosis so you’ll have to educate me. When you might be in more of a manic or high-energy state, it helped fuel your career success. Was that confusing to be in that situation with your mental health and seeing career success also at the same time?

It’s funny and tricky to talk about because you have to be conscientious. It’s weird to talk about a mental illness, a disease or a disorder and then to unpack, suss out or untangle pieces of it that can be gifts and beneficial but it’s all true and it’s all different based on the person. For a fair amount of people depending on where they are in the spectrum, bipolar is a fatal illness. People die because of the suffering.

I’m going to quote The Wall Street Journal having not read it but somebody told me that they did a piece estimating that they thought 1 in 10. It was either entrepreneurs or CEOs on the spectrum of bipolar disorder. It makes a lot of sense when you understand some of those things you talked about. I don’t know how to explain it other than it’s like passion or energy. It’s almost like adrenaline.

If you were an athlete and you’re like, “I’ll do it again. I’ll try it this way,” but it’s happening mentally. It’s very focused normally. People pick a project or a thing. Depending on how they cycle and the severity if they can ride the storm, there are a lot of creatives whose parts of their art are an expression of the complexities of their brain.

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I’m going to go look that up after because think about leading a company or a movement. That does make sense that stat could be real. Think about all the energy it takes to lead a whole company, no matter what the size, quite frankly.

You have unlimited for long stretches so time spent. I’ve worked on projects in the past where I’ve been manic somewhere on the spectrum. Everybody’s like, “Great. We’ll work on this and we brainstorm for three days.” They leave and I’m like, “But what if?” I’m going to whiteboard this out and push the idea. It moves things forward. It creates and elevates but it’s also not necessarily sourced from a very balanced place. It’s hard because I don’t want to say that it doesn’t matter or because it comes from that, it’s unhealthy. It’s an expression in the world and it can create beautiful things. It’s interesting that it’s part of the illness.

I appreciate you putting a caveat around that. There can be beauty in the suffering but it’s still suffering. It’s still coming from an unhealthy place.

In many doctors, psychiatrists and people with bipolar would say, “I’ll take the illness for the rest of my life if I can hover in that manageable, juicy, low mania space because I’m creative and confident. I have all this energy.” If you go too high, it’s risky. If you go too low, for some people, it’s fatal. There is that zone where most people are like, “If it was just this and I could stick here, I’d take a pill to be that way.”

I’m drawing a correlation here so hopefully you’re on board with this. Do you remember the movie Limitless with Bradley Cooper? If you haven’t seen the movie, it’s a little on the older side but Bradley Cooper takes this pill. In this case, it’s a pill but this would be a disorder. Everything becomes clearer and he becomes faster moving, learning and doing. I don’t know if you ever saw that movie but that’s what it sounds like to me.

That sounds spot on. Whatever Bradley Cooper took is what the chemicals are, how they start to imbalance in the brain and that’s the reaction it causes in the person.

When you made the decision, let’s say it wasn’t right after you got off that mountain but it was a while since you made the decision, “I’m going to share with my personal and professional communities that I’m bipolar and I have been for a long time.” What was the reaction when you shared?

Overwhelmingly, I always laugh because my whole fear was what would people say. I didn’t hear from the people who maybe had something to say that was suspect but it’s the most beautiful, overwhelming, supportive, loving and encouraging thing. People immediately feel safe in their sharing. The number of people who specifically had been impacted, whether it was a parent or a spouse by this particular illness, was people I’d known for years. I never have talked about it but I grew up with bipolar. Moms or people would reach out and call me when their kids were diagnosed in college.

It was a flood of wraps, love and support. It draws people in. I always thought it would repel people and it did the opposite. People felt closer to me because I had shared more of myself. Vulnerability does that. It connects us in a deeper way. I did it in a very public setting but I would say that it was cathartic for me and connected me more versus less to people.

It’s brave to be vulnerable. I didn’t share a mental health diagnosis. I wrote in a chapter in my first book on resilience, my secondary infertility struggle. I have to tell you that my family and my close friends are like, “Are you sure you want to share this with the free world?” I was like, “Yeah, I do. I want to share this story.” I can’t tell you how healing it was for me but also how many women have come to me since saying, “Thank you so much for sharing because I have struggled with it too.” I do think it opens the floodgates for other people to be real, pay it forward and heal as well.

Thank you for sharing that because I have so many women in my life whom I’ve watched walk that road. It’s devastating. I’ve seen it happen when they connect with another woman. Whether she’s in it or on the other end of it, regardless of what her outcome is you can see the power of the sharing of information and saying, “I see you. I’ve been there.” It’s such a gift.

For your suffering and infertility journey, for me, with mental health, when you’re in it, you’re a little bit like, “Why is this happening?” It makes meaning of it in a sense because, in your book or my sharing, you’re like, “I get to be of service to somebody else who’s in this. I get to give them hope, comfort, knowledge or information.” It makes a little bit of meaning to our messy parts. That is helpful in our process of healing for the things that we’ve been through.

Why let it put a rug over it or bury that wound and hide it? You went through the messy part for a reason. Why not be like, “This is what I learned. If it helps, here you go.” This is a broad question but what advice would you give someone that they don’t know that maybe their colleague or family member is silently struggling with a mental illness? Let’s make it broader, a physical illness, burnout or infertility. How can we show up and show compassion for one another when we may all be silently struggling with something?

People want real everywhere. It doesn’t have to be bold, oversharing or any of these things but if we can be a little more real, it allows other people. If you’re suffering and feel more than everyone around you, your view is, “Here I am in this darkness of infertility or complete burnout. Everyone’s functioning and getting pregnant.” It doesn’t take much for a couple of people to say a few things that are real about the messy parts of their life. Even if it’s about their house being a mess, it can be as little as that. There are these small little gestures of being brave enough to be open, real and honest. That makes a bigger impact than we think.

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I would add to that. This is my opinion, not the word or gospel. We need to be more comfortable being uncomfortable with that person at the moment if they share it with us or they say, “I’m struggling with this.” Not to pass it by or put a lot of positivity on it. Being positive helps but I can’t tell you how many people when I would share, even friends, didn’t know what to say. I was like, “I’m struggling with secondary infertility.” They’re like, “It’ll happen for you. It’s common. God gives us what we can handle.” No one knows what to say. An even better way is to be like, “I’m sorry. What do you need? How can I help you? How can I show up for you?” Just be there because maybe that’s all they need.

I was viewing the question as if somebody is silently suffering and you’re not privy. They haven’t shared it with you yet. That’s the subtleties of sharing ourselves, creating a safe space in that way and letting them know that we’re all. What you said is so spot-on and brilliant. As a parent, I am trying to walk the walk of this exact thing. It is so beautifully hard to sit next to someone who is suffering in whatever it is. Their body at that moment is the end of the world.

If somebody’s broken up with them, their heart is. Do not try to fix it and say, “This isn’t going to matter.” Sit and say, “This is hard.” The most powerful is to say nothing, sit beside them, hold them and let them get it all out. This idea of we think when somebody’s trying to have a baby or somebody’s going through something, we’re like, “I know it’ll work out,” or rattling off like, “My cousin tried for seven years and she has triplets.” “Thanks, I feel so much better. Yes, I’m in seven years.” I do think we have to allow people to be in pain and be brave enough to sit next to them and know that not only is that simple enough but how powerful that is. Perhaps that is the greatest expression of love.

I morphed the question on you, Kimi, but you answered it beautifully both ways, whether they aren’t sharing and you make the space for them to share or if they have shared and you make the space for them to grieve or add more. Both of those answers give some solid advice to people that are going through hard things. Speaking about stories and what you do, you have continued. After leaving film and television production, you are producing and creating this beautiful thing called All the Wiser Podcast. Why did you decide to launch All the Wiser?

Television and film were incredible. Also, the people I was able to meet and interview but you’re out in the field. “You’re out in the world doing these interviews.” All the footage is going back. We’re editing in The Edit Bay, somewhere in New York or wherever it’s being. The essence of what was happening in the room with the conversations that I was having with these people, I knew how sacred it was and how much was there. What is shared with the world is 10% of that or sensational music is splashed.

Podcasting was so incredible and disruptive in that way that I could walk away from a distribution channel. It was a very big distribution. I could start to build my audience. I didn’t have to go to a network or movie studio. I could say, “I’m going to find and share stories on my terms. I’m going to honor the space, the conversation and how insanely magical, brilliant and impactful these stories are using my voice.” That was the mission.

I knew high stake storytelling because on the show we tell stories that are very harrowing. They’re pretty dramatic in nature. That is often very engaging for people. The stories are entertaining but that is not the point to some extent. It’s a vehicle in which to learn from them and learn about all the things we’re talking about. What it means to be human, what it means to suffer, what it means to endure, what it means to love and be resilient. People who have been through hard things have incredible wisdom. That was what we came up with and it’s taken me to the most unexpected places and conversations. I love it. I’m so proud of our team, the show and all of our guests. It’s been a real gift.

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I’ve had people ask me. This is what you grew up with. I wouldn’t say I’m a novice podcaster anymore with over 100 episodes but this is a side for me. I had no formal background or training. I am still learning. I’ve told people that too. Being a podcaster is a gift and being able to usher people into places and conversations. We prepare for our shows. I’m sure that you guys do as well at All the Wiser. I feel so humbled by some of the things that my guests have shared and some of the learnings I’ve taken away. As much as my audience hopefully gleans good information, resources, tips and inspiration, I do the same.

It’s a special thing.

I forgot to ask you about Gleason. I’ve not watched it yet so I’m planning. It’s on my list. How did that come about? I don’t think you covered sports. Tell people what the movie was about. Why did you decide to be part of that project?

As I was getting burned out, going back to the mountaintop, the trip that was canceled was with my friends, Steve and Michelle Gleason. Michelle was my best friend from college. We were roommates. She ended up marrying an NFL football player who was the most unconventional NFL football player. He had long hair. He played the acoustic guitar and drove biodiesel before that was a thing. He was this special team returning the punts.

Steve is diagnosed with ALS, Lou Gehrig’s disease, at 32. Two weeks later, in their fertility journey, she finds out that she’s pregnant with their first son. He’s a super creative guy and an insanely creative and dynamic person. He’s into photography and timelapse photography. He starts recording himself, lessons for his son, the deterioration of his body and time-lapses in their life. Eventually, he gets these two film students. They live in New Orleans and they’re like, “Let’s do something for the Louisiana Film Festival to tell the story of our lives.”

Eventually, I was visiting them and saw the footage. These two young film students were putting it together in their garage. I was like, “I’ve worked on documentaries and stories that people covered for years with massive budgets. I have never seen anything like this. Let’s turn this into a film and bring it to LA.” That’s what we did. It only took us five years.

Their son’s name is Rivers. We started a production company, Dear Rivers Productions with the sole purpose of making that film. We made it and sold it at Sundance to Amazon Studios. It was a big undertaking and a project that everyone involved is deeply proud of because of the impact of the story. That’s Gleason.

Think about how the universe has a hand. You just so happen to be the roommate that ends up marrying Mr. Gleason. He gets sick and you have the skill and resources to get them connected so they can make this beautiful piece of art that will educate and inspire others. Look at all of that kismet and those things coming together.

I agree. It’s insane. Think about all of the things that happened. As you can imagine, if your best friend is going through this, you want to be there for them. I had no idea how in the world I was going to help them. She was spoon-feeding her husband and new baby at the same time. With this film, selfishly, I want to help them. I was visiting. Steve is still alive. He had a tracheotomy. He’s unable to speak or walk but he’s incredible. I was with them and he was talking to me with his eye gaze technology.

I don’t think we were processing out loud but what a gift the distraction of the film was in a sense. We had this big project going on. It was creative. It was million moments that were messy, hard and tense. People not getting along and were afraid. There were so many players involved, directors, producers and distributors. We all had this shared vision. We were together creating something. I don’t think we were fully cognizant of the process of how helpful that was in their world. It’s cool to think, “Maybe it wasn’t just about the film but the process of making the film offered to everyone who needed it at that time.”

It’s a way to process and grieve ahead of time what’s happening but still have it in a joyful mixed salad of emotions. I also think it’s a beautiful gift for their children.

Their lives have come a long way. There’s so much more stability in his health. At the time, he was living knowing he was dying. Post tracheotomy, it’s been sustaining and maintaining a quality of life. It’s a beautiful film. They are maybe some of the most funny and interesting people I have ever met. There’s no one like them. They’re eccentric and inappropriately funny to people. They have in and out of their house constantly.

I was there on a Wednesday. People appear in their backyards in New Orleans and start playing music. It’s like a band is there because they have all these super artsy friends. The film, while the weight of it was heavy in the subject matter, there are many laugh-out-loud moments. They have a beautiful and interesting life. It’s not all just the weighty deeper parts.

That’s so good. I’m excited. I will reach out to you and tell you. I’m sure I’m going to love it but I’m going to watch it. It’s on the list. Thank you for creating such a beautiful piece of art.

Thank you for making the time to watch it.

I want to switch gears and ask you because we’re talking all about bravery and different stories which I’ve loved. What do you believe are 1 to 2 ways that women can be braver at work?

One is showing up as yourself and finding the moments in which you can be a little bit more real. That’s more powerful for you. We’ve got to caveat all these things about not being afraid to truly show up with different pieces of yourself perhaps you’ve been afraid to. As women, in particular, we know. We can feel it in our bones. We feel the thing. The little whisper is there. It’s like a millisecond. The more we can speak that out loud, whether it’s the idea, the feedback or the intuition of trusting ourselves.

The bravery is in trusting yourself and speaking it out loud into the space or the room. That is the source of creation, whether you’re in finance, media or real estate. Why you’re there is to express your gifts and add value. Realize that that is within us and not take too long to say it because we can all get in our heads and scan the room. When safe to do so, trust yourself more and share yourself.

How can women find All the Wiser and anything else that’s coming up for you work-wise? How can we find you online?

AllTheWiserPodcast.com or KimiCulp.com. I am so excited about some of the episodes on the show. I interviewed a man who spent 27 years in prison and is a hospice worker in prison. The stories we’re telling coming up on the show, I’m proud of them and excited to share them. It’s All the Wiser Podcast wherever you listen.

Thank you so much again for being on the show. I’ve so enjoyed our conversation and your willingness to share your stories and the stories of others.

Me too, Jen. It was a pleasure being on the show. I look forward to staying in touch.

Kimi, I enjoyed it very much. I loved it. I had a good time. Thank you for your time.

Me, too. The gift of podcasting is meeting new and interesting people in the world.

I wish you all the best as you continue to compile interesting interviews. I’m going to be tuning in to that show. The one with the person that was in prison, is that one live or is that one coming?

It was a Father’s Day episode.

I can still go back and go in there. What is the guest’s name?

Fernando Murillo.

I will be listening and watching Gleason. You don’t have any other movies. You’re focused is on the podcast, correct?

Yes.

Good for you.

You’re awesome, Jen.

Thank you.

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